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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Haych on Wed May 26, 2010 8:18 am

    my last babies were black - these are pale with the black stripe.

    The last baby out of the last spawn was black as the ace of spades!
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Nina on Wed May 26, 2010 8:22 am

    awww aint they lush!

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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Storm on Fri May 28, 2010 9:25 pm

    Hows the kids Smile


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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Haych on Fri May 28, 2010 9:35 pm

    lol my two brats??

    Nah theyre doing well, still a good number. Am feeding three times a day atm on frozen BBS (couldnt see the live beggars lol) and will be starting vinegar eel soon too

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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Storm on Fri May 28, 2010 9:39 pm

    pmsl 2 brats pmsl

    Good to hear there doing well Smile


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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by MandyD on Fri May 28, 2010 11:25 pm

    Cool pics,

    Didnt realise 2 dark fish would produce pale one's, that's cool!
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by kel on Fri May 28, 2010 11:43 pm

    Sometimes they can be slow to colour up and often it's only around jarring time before you see their full colour

    sometimes you can spot differences in the fry when little or just catch the metallic sheen but it's very early days

    my mg x royal blue bf spawn.. some look red/orange, some are def going blue and I've one that currently looks white lol

    Will be a good month + before mine start to show full depth of colour they will have as adults.

    The colour is also built up in layers so as it's developing sometimes you will see a colour developing most then the next layer will deepen and completely change the hue! Shocked


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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Nina on Fri May 28, 2010 11:52 pm

    what age do you jar then kel ?
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by kel on Sat May 29, 2010 12:06 am

    it really is hit or miss depending on the development rate.. around 10-11 weeks but last male could be as much as 16 weeks old

    just jar as the agression increases. You'll probably start with one jarred, then two or three more will get rowdy in a few days, just remove them as it happens

    Uk bred fry usually aren't up to selling size until they're about 4-6 months old


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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Haych on Sun May 30, 2010 3:38 am

    well, did a massive water change today as I am having the probs with nitrates and nitrites.

    Took 50%+ out and added 10l - I took around 5l out

    Upon doing so I sucked up aload of babies - after eyeing up the tub for ages I managed to get all back but am not throwing the water til I am 100% I got them all.

    I have found the biggest baby and what a difference!

    Baby 8 days old





    I must have sucked up between 10-15 and there was still some in the tank so not a bad job!
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Haych on Sun May 30, 2010 4:10 am

    water tests:

    Ammonia - 0.25ppm
    nitrate - 5.0ppm
    nitrite - 1.0ppm

    its coming down but very slowly - did I read somewhere that salt will naturally bring down the levels?

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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Storm on Sun May 30, 2010 4:47 am

    Awww cool hay i think you just have to keep on top of water changes, although im not sure about the salt hun sorry.


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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Bettanut on Sun May 30, 2010 4:48 am

    I'd do another water change. that ammonia will kill faster than nitrites. Nitrates are the ones we remove with water changes.

    The tank isn't cycled by the look of readings.

    Don't know about salt bring down the levels...never heard that in all my years of fishkeeping.

    Need to get that ammonia reading to 0ppm hun and keep it there.
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Haych on Sun May 30, 2010 4:55 am

    it was a member who said it on here (I found the post)

    The ammonia isnt high just not perfect.

    The nitrate and nitrite was what concerned me as the other day it was through the roof. I had cherry shrimp in the tank too that kept multiplying and pooping EVERYWHERE so I have removed a massive amount of them
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Bettanut on Sun May 30, 2010 5:57 am

    It should have helped removing the shrimp, less poop , less ammonia.

    Water changes is the key Haych till readings settle.
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Haych on Sun May 30, 2010 6:05 am

    I am persisitng - the mount of poop they did was hurrendous! But they had multiplied lol

    The babies seem ok and are doing well though
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Chard56 on Sun May 30, 2010 5:00 pm

    That big one keeps getting bigger and your head count will start going down. They will eat their siblings. If the Cherry Shrimp are in with the fry they will eat them also. Any kind of crustacean will eat fish. They have even been known to hang on the tails of adult Betta's previously thought to be tail biters only to catch the shrimp being the culprits.
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by kel on Sun May 30, 2010 9:55 pm

    Don't use salt with the fry

    They can tolerate tiny tiny amounts only and at this amount it won't make any difference to your water stats.

    You'll just have to persevere with the water changes, might also be worth getting some safe start or similar to help break down the ammonia and nitrites while the filter is cycling and causing the peaks.


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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Bettanut on Sun May 30, 2010 10:18 pm

    How is your readings today Haych?

    How are the babies doing ?
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Haych on Mon May 31, 2010 2:51 am

    I was told having cherry shrimp would be ok with the babies Sad

    Will remove them later on, theyre not easy to catch Neutral

    I didnt know babies would eat each other - is it something I should do something about or is it something I cant do anything about?

    Am doing another water change later, will do readings after too

    Cant understand why my filter is doing this now, all was ok before I spawned. The only thing I can think of is the multiplying shrimp have put more pressure on the sponge filter
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Chard56 on Mon May 31, 2010 3:37 am

    As far as the cannibalism goes I separate and keep same sized fry in a different tank. Sorting by size helps keep down the aggression on the little ones. I feed the bigger ones bigger food and you can try to catch the smaller ones up by still feeding them baby brine shrimp without the big ones hogging all the food.
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Haych on Mon May 31, 2010 7:33 am

    Bettanut wrote:How is your readings today Haych?

    How are the babies doing ?

    the babies are ok - doing well

    readings are:

    Ammonia - 0.25ppm
    Nitrate - ~ 5.0ppm
    Nitrire - ~ 0.25ppm

    The nitrate/ite are lowering - but their colour are in between the lowest and next colour so have wrote the larger with the ~ to show less than
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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Haych on Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:40 am

    a quick update:

    Things arent going too well atm Sad

    As I have had a massive spike which I can only asume is because of more food than one betta worth going into the filter its too much for it to cope with, I have done some large water changes which seem to have made things worse.

    Its daft - I had eight days of not noticing any issues, no baby losses, as soon as I intervened and did water changes I lost more babies.

    I have seven left, but I have tried to look today and I am sure I can see some dead babies on the bottom Sad

    I cannot understand it, I try to make things easier on the little beggars and they die off more. I have heard of people raising fry without filters with less issues than I have

    I dont seem to be having any luck with my fish atm Neutral

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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Storm on Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:05 am

    How are the little ones?


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    Re: black orchid spawn II

    Post by Storm on Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:39 am

    bumpy lol


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