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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:02 am

    Like wise Wassy, I seem to have 2 sizes in my spawn too. The bigger set are doing OK but the smaller seem to struggle. I still have the odd die off but mainly one from the smaller sized group. Unlike your lot which look really active, mine tend to stay near the bottom. Possibly cos the main food is still microworms. Nice to see yours are doing well Smile
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by wassy82 on Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:01 pm

    Milngavie wrote:Like wise Wassy, I seem to have 2 sizes in my spawn too. The bigger set are doing OK but the smaller seem to struggle. I still have the odd die off but mainly one from the smaller sized group. Unlike your lot which look really active, mine tend to stay near the bottom. Possibly cos the main food is still microworms. Nice to see yours are doing well Smile

    ya do have to consider survival of the fittest tho in the early stages imo.i spotted one today that looks barley 2 weeks old.still all are doing well.very well Smile

    how are your fry now?how many do you have?

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:59 am

    I have about 50 fry at the moment. I guess there will be more losses for the next few weeks so I guess that there will eventually be around 30 in the end. They are DT genotype, don't know what else is in the mix but they should be red. a few are still very small. As you said, sorta 2wk old size. A few seem to be unusually bloated with what looks almost like a blister in their tummy. Not sure why, they are still feeding and active so I'm leaving well alone for now. I'm open to suggestions though. Doing daily or bi-daily 10-20% water changes and feeding mw twice a day and bbs once a day. I'd like to go purely mw but I'm afraid that this may lead to a nutritional deficiency. I have one plant (anubias??) in a ceramic plant ring with foam strip keeping it in the ring. The plant is sorta half dead as well. The bbs I'm hatching is the decapsulated ones from waterlife. Will keep comparing notes with you Smile
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by wassy82 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:01 pm

    Milngavie wrote:I have about 50 fry at the moment. I guess there will be more losses for the next few weeks so I guess that there will eventually be around 30 in the end. They are DT genotype, don't know what else is in the mix but they should be red. a few are still very small. As you said, sorta 2wk old size. A few seem to be unusually bloated with what looks almost like a blister in their tummy. Not sure why, they are still feeding and active so I'm leaving well alone for now. I'm open to suggestions though. Doing daily or bi-daily 10-20% water changes and feeding mw twice a day and bbs once a day. I'd like to go purely mw but I'm afraid that this may lead to a nutritional deficiency. I have one plant (anubias??) in a ceramic plant ring with foam strip keeping it in the ring. The plant is sorta half dead as well. The bbs I'm hatching is the decapsulated ones from waterlife. Will keep comparing notes with you Smile

    why dont you start a thread with your spawn?there are many more people on here that are alot more experienced than me.
    i brought my 1st betta under a year ago.now im hooked. Smile

    i would deffo remove the dead plant tho,and do 20% water changes every day.use 24hr aged water.warm it up to the temp of the tank add very slowly.add some apple snails to clean the sides of the tank and eat any waste food.
    im sure they will be able to help.what im doing with mine seems to be working for me very well.,very time consuming but its well worth it as a hobbyist to get a good spawn.

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    Post by Milngavie on Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:34 am

    Thx Wassy, oddly enough, the half dead plant seemed to help with the infusoria population earlier in the spawn. It's growing again now, so it's staying for now. I'm thinking of dropping the BBS sometime soon if I can get an alternative. MW are still the staple. At the mo the deaths are slowing down. I expect a few more before they totally stop.

    I'll probably start a thread soon. Once I get some piccies up Smile Cos it's a DT female cross, there may be some peeps interested in following the spawn. So far the genetics bear true, that is to say, they all seem to be ST. At least a back cross or the next generation should get some DTs.

    BTW, how do you get the quotes into the boxes? Cheers

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:31 am

    OK,a quick update. Really, a mortality report. Looks like the runts are still around. I have about 3 on the last count. Had one dead fry floating at the surface this morning and found a fuzzy dead one at the bottom this evening. Dont know what got them as they both looked a good size and had full bellies. Others seem OK and all seems well. I wonder if this is normal. My last water change was last night. About 20% change. I can't see anything that would make me suspect a disease outbreak but I'm always paranoid when dealing with diseases.
    Can anyone tell me if this mirrors their experience with their fry at 4 weeks old?
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Chard56 on Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:56 pm

    I still have a few deaths up until a month and a half or two from size differences and weaker ones. Just feeding them MW's is not a healthy diet and you wont get a good growth rate out of them. BBS are way more nutritious and they grow so much faster when the fry are fed them. At a month old you can start trying to feed the fry with finely crushed flake and pelleted foods in addition to the BBS and MW's.
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Nataliey on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:49 am

    I dont know if this will help but iv been feeding mine on decapulated brine shrimp 3 times a day and they are growing very fast on that.

    I also still have to different sizes from the same spawn most of the smallest ones have been eaten by the bigger ones...i see that its natures way instead of trying to remove them just leave them in as in the wild no one removes them there...sounds cruel but my way of dealing with it i guess!


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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Chard56 on Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:00 am

    You'd be surprised when some of the little ones catch up. Sometimes they are the better looking ones. The bigger faster developing ones aren't neccassarily the best ones to continue the line.
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Nataliey on Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:12 am

    Chard56 wrote:You'd be surprised when some of the little ones catch up. Sometimes they are the better looking ones. The bigger faster developing ones aren't neccassarily the best ones to continue the line.

    My DT baby was one of the smaller ones and is fast growing up now my bigger ones are big bullies!

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:14 am

    Nataliey wrote:I dont know if this will help but iv been feeding mine on decapulated brine shrimp 3 times a day and they are growing very fast on that.

    I'm currently hatching decapsulated BS for them. I guess that I'm being cautious once again with regards to the shells and worry that they may cause swim bladder problems. BTW Chard, those fry with the blisters seem to have either recovered or died. Don't see them any more.
    Is it safe to feed the fry the decapsulated eggs without hatching them? I'm considering Grindal worms as the next step. I have a white worm culture and am surprised at the size of the things. They seem large even for full grown fish. I'll try them out once they are sufficiently abundant to harvest ( on the adults that is).
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Nataliey on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:25 am

    Kel said i should try the decapulated brine shrimp once they where big enough, im going to defrost some blood worm cut it up into small pieces and try them with that.

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by kel on Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:19 am

    if you have the liquid decaps then it's worth hatching... I use the dry ones that won't hatch, they need a quick 10min soak then into tank.

    need to mix with live until the bigger fry take the decaps easily then reduce the live food as they progress and go onto powdered adult foods.

    worms are a great supplement food but not nutritional enough as a complete diet after the first week, they also encourage the fry to hang about the floor which can cause vental loss but yes they're a great emergency food and a single daily meal replacement but needs combined with other food if you want good fry growth and development.

    the benefits of live bbs outweigh the occasional swim problems, give the normal eggs a try too, far more economical than the hatchable decaps.


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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Sun May 01, 2011 9:57 am

    Thx Kel, how many weeks old should the fry be before trying to feed the decaps without hatching?

    I was also looking at a few of the dead fry over the las day or two. Two were in a sort of contorted position. Almost curled up when they were found dead. Another was (and this is weird) found with what looked like both eye lenses popped out. All were fairly freshly deceased. Any ideas as to what the killer may be?
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Nataliey on Sun May 01, 2011 10:23 am

    Milngavie wrote:Thx Kel, how many weeks old should the fry be before trying to feed the decaps without hatching?

    I waited till mine where 2 months old so been feeding them decaps for almost a month now.

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Fri May 06, 2011 9:52 am

    Here's mommy

    and daddy Smile
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by 2tall on Fri May 06, 2011 10:59 am

    The fry should become very colourful.
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by wassy82 on Mon May 09, 2011 3:32 am

    how are they doing?

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Mon May 09, 2011 8:43 am

    Hi Wassy, fry are still growing. Still on BBS and MW. I'm trying to get them to take decaps. Father just came down with some sort of fungal/columnaris infection of one of the ventral fins so is now in quarantine with some salt as the bit of a precaution. A bit of the fin fell off so I'm hoping that it will stop there and that it won't spread to the tank mates. If not then it's out with the antibiotics. The mother can't get along with one of the others in the sorority tank so constantly having shredded fins Razz
    I'm still doing water changes every other day. Mortality seems to be slowing down. I have the odd small fry and the largest is about 1/3 inch long (at a guess). No colouring as yet. No DT either. Probably needs the second generation for that. I'm thinking of moving them to a bigger tank in the next two weeks or so. I do hope that they will start taking dried foods soon. Getting tired of hatching BBS.

    Hows your lot getting on? The water changes make for a lot of work though.
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by wassy82 on Tue May 10, 2011 5:24 am

    Milngavie wrote:Hi Wassy, fry are still growing. Still on BBS and MW. I'm trying to get them to take decaps. Father just came down with some sort of fungal/columnaris infection of one of the ventral fins so is now in quarantine with some salt as the bit of a precaution. A bit of the fin fell off so I'm hoping that it will stop there and that it won't spread to the tank mates. If not then it's out with the antibiotics. The mother can't get along with one of the others in the sorority tank so constantly having shredded fins Razz
    I'm still doing water changes every other day. Mortality seems to be slowing down. I have the odd small fry and the largest is about 1/3 inch long (at a guess). No colouring as yet. No DT either. Probably needs the second generation for that. I'm thinking of moving them to a bigger tank in the next two weeks or so. I do hope that they will start taking dried foods soon. Getting tired of hatching BBS.

    Hows your lot getting on? The water changes make for a lot of work though.

    hope all works well for you!!i up dated my fry thread today take a look.finally now im off work for 2 weeks so plenty of time to spend with my fish.i have no die off and the small ones are doing well taking almost any thing live or frozen.mine are taking smashed up frozen BS!i read it on here altho our s are younger they are taking it.mite be worth a try.

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Tue May 10, 2011 5:42 am

    Lucky u Smile off work for 2 weeks! No frozen stuff for my lot because the only thing smashed up will be me when fish food is found together with the bacon etc Smile
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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by 2tall on Tue May 10, 2011 5:47 am

    I double wrap my frozen foods over the original packaging even though it doesn't bother me to
    share the freezer space. More to prevent freezer burn.

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Fri May 20, 2011 10:33 am

    Fry are starting to show colour. Some are dark and some light, possibly metallic sheen but all have some red in the fins. I have a few SBD and one lock jaw. Can't find the thread on lock jaw to add details. Can anyone point me to the post? Think it may be trauma related as it is a single individual. Sad seeing the little fella struggle. I'm cutting down on the mw and bbs and using decaps as my staple. Trying to get them onto flakes now. GW yet to arrive in the post so that is not an option at the mo. No DT to speak off but some definitely have the larger dorsal of the DT gene. I'll get photos when they get bigger or colour up better. Getting some racking to set up my grow out tanks over the weekend. One 2 foot and one 3 foot. Then I'll do it all over again Smile Got a blue DT to go with a blue plakat. Very traditional plakat, nothing fancy but he is nice. Female is still small so that may be a project for the winter evenings or next year.

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by Milngavie on Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:02 am

    Finally a photo of the fry. Mainly red finnage and a variety of body colours, irrid blues and purples. One or two very pale ones. Not sure what the final colour will be. A number are showing uneven ventral fin growth. Very little growth on one side compared to the other side. It isn't missing, just slow to grow.
    They'll be moving soon to bigger premises.

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    Re: Milngavie Spawn

    Post by kel on Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:53 am

    looks like a gd spawn count, all should be veil tail and a few should show signs of the doubletail gene it it's very unlikely you will get dt in this lot of fry but not impossible.... colours you should hve a few purple, mainly blue with red finnage, some green with red and a few randoms

    good to see them doing great!

    I'd love to see you working with the show fish as i think you would do really well!


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